• Bongo

    Get your facts correct Mheshimiwa. Kikuyu and Kalenjin did not vote as a bloc under KANU in 2002 election. The Kikuyus were split between those supporting Hon. Uhuru and President Kibaki.

    • Francis

       You need to get your facts right! In RV which the Hon.Kutuny is talking about Kikuyus/ Kalenjins  all voted for Uhuru.I know that for a fact-I live there.It is the communities in RV that have paid the price for wars they have nothing to benefit from.In 2007 Kalenjins had nothing to gain by fighting for the most ungrateful fellow to ever walk the surface of Kenya.Kikuyus in RV have had nothing to benefit by voting for a Kikuyu(read central province) president.Their lives depend on how well they relate/trade work with their neighbors the Kalenjins.This is Muheshimiwas argument which is so sound.Anything that can foster peace is welcome-GO MUHESHIMIWA GO. 

  • Fonchiri

    Kutuny, what kind of prayer meetings are these, if people pray for 5 minutes after which they spend 5 hours hurling insults at others and inciting your communitites against others. While I belately agree with you that finding peace  is complex, tribal groupings intended to wipe emotions is not one of the solutions.

  • Pratt

    Am a fierce supporter of brothers Hon. Ruto and Hon. Uhuru. However, they seem to have deviated from the real aim and moved to issues that are dangerous to them. First, the signature issue, though rather late, must be for all Kenyans not just their respective local communities. This is because they are national properties not regional items. And infact, if for instance, 25M Kenyans signed a pettition to reject ICC option, it would have made alot of sense. Secondly, requesting local communities to support them in signing their petition only helps to reinforce Ocampo’s case. Thats simply because the tribal element in Ocampo’s accusations are made pretty real. The supposed Mungiki disruption of Gema meeting in Limuru makes things even far worse. Maina Njenga was not supposed to be present in that meeting. His presence was a major confirmation of Ocampo’s assertions! The media was not even supposed to talk of Mungiki at all. However, they know were their bread is buttered and certainly not in Ruto’s or Uhuru’s corner!

  • Boiyot

    Mheshimiwa, only if we could actually see and hear you and your colleagues talking this smart talk to the common mwanchi! YOu might be very honest here in writing, but so do all those other offenders…
    Otherwise I do agree mostly with what you’ve written here.

  • scanfish

    Pratt, on the contrary, everything is going according to plan. Ruto has mobilised his backyard through KAMATUSA, while Uhuru has done so though GEMA. Indeed, given the high octane vitriol, outright spite and criticism in the media from the usual hypocrites condemning their actions, their plans are coming to fruition beyond their wildest dreams. Their detractors predictions of failure have actually achieved the direct opposite; spectacular success. The Kalenjin and a majority of their KAMATUSA kin, and the Kikuyu and a majority of their GEMA kin, have as a result of this condemnation withdrawn into the same political cocoon.

    The real reason for Uhuru and Ruto’s ethnic mobilisation was to ensure that the political parties they support i.e URP for Ruto, and on the other hand, whatever party Uhuru announces soon, will have strong political backing at the outset before they go into power sharing talks for a pre-election pact. This will give rise to a powerful and formidable electoral machine that will be unbeatable.
    Keep in mind that in the voters register, the GEMA and KAMATUSA are the two biggest voting blocks at 4.5 million (GEMA), and 2.4 million (KAMATUSA) or 48.59% of ALL registered voters at 14.2 million. This means that whoever they support as a Presidential candidate will win the election at the first round with over 50%+1, the magic number that ensures victory. Completely forget about second round voting, it won’t happen. Uhuru and Ruto’s detractors know this only too well and hence the sustained onslaught to try and intimidate, divide and derail the coming electoral alliance.

    The ICC signatures are actually not meant to persuade the ICC to drop the cases. On the contrary, they are meant to show the ICC that the case has become political whether they like it or not; that Uhuru and Ruto have immense political support, and that the decisions ICC take will have a bearing on peaceful elections in Kenya.
    It does not really matter what Ocampo thinks since, quite apart from his separate agenda to lynch Uhuru and Ruto no matter what as per his western masters’ orders, he has already made up his mind that Uhuru and Ruto are war criminals misusing their tribes, so what is the point of trying to persuade him otherwise? More especially, what exactly is wrong with getting tribal support as long as you are not preaching violence against others? Whether we like it or not, tribes are who we are regardless of party affiliation. It is why 90% of Luos are in ODM today, but if Raila left for Wiper Party, all Luos would follow him to a man.

    Maina Njenga is actually just making a fool of himself in fighting Uhuru. He wants recognition by force but he should realise that GEMA is not Mungiki so if he does not like being treated as a second tier leader, that is too bad. He cannot bring to GEMA a separate power centre outside Uhuru’s and expect Uhuru to accept such an arrangement. So if does not like his status, he can join KANU and Gideon Moi as we saw on TV. We will see how far that takes him.

    • Pratt

      Sorry, you are right but off the mark pal! The real issue here is whether brothers Ruto and Uhuru are unwittingly confirming Ocampo’s accusations or not? Your above stuff not withstanding. Climate and real danger for the 2 brothers have been created. And dont forget all those being tried by ICC are under its custody but the brothers. I have said someone is receiving leaks from a reliable source to precipitate arrest of these brothers on their next check in at the Hague. Kamatusa, Gema or whatever, wont help when that scenario turns real.  So what do we do? May be you can offer us a solution pal!

  • Chris Irera

    Kikuyu and Kalenjins are two tribes among 42 others……so narrow a perspective….brainchild or no brainchild…the meetings are a ploy to hoodwink Kenyans and erase our memories to the happenings of 07/08…the two bandleaders were antagonists and this led to mass murder of over 1000 innocent Kenyans…lest we forget