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  1. NEO_KENYAN September 17th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    Finally, after all that bs about witnesses being bribed, coached and all manner of accusations against the prosecution. Someone, anyone come out and state no church was burnt in Kiambaa.

    1. Qwani September 17th, 2013 at 11:58 pm

      My good fellow a church building burning is irrelevant. Church buildings can always be rebuilt. What is relevant here is that people died in a very horrifying manner. Don’t confuse witnesses who are selling their lies for 30 pieces of silver with those that are coming to say the truth by recounting what we all saw. They are not one and the same.

      1. NEO_KENYAN September 18th, 2013 at 12:14 am

        I agree. Kindly help me out here brother. The crime against humanity of murder has three elements. The prosection has established, one the killing occured. How do you think he’s going to connect the DP i.e. the perpetrator to the “killing” to satisfy the 1st element. The 2nd and 3rd elements also have similar challenges.

        1. Patriot September 18th, 2013 at 12:36 am

          You are not the prosecutor leave that to her, She is paid to do this

          1. kamau Njoroge September 18th, 2013 at 1:35 am

            yaliyopita si ndwele tugange yajayo

        2. Duncan Muchina September 18th, 2013 at 12:44 am

          Simple…”mass action”!!!!

        3. Guest September 18th, 2013 at 8:23 am

          The so called mastermind, Chamalan was or is the Ward Rep of Nigeria where Kiambaa Church is. When he was acquitted by the Kenyan High Court for insufficient evidence, the Judge blamed the police for shoddy investigations. The witnesses who went to testify could not collaborate their evidence that it was Chamalan and the Judge further went ahead and said just being the Ward Rep does not qualify you to be the mastermind. So lets us hear what this new witness has to Collaborate her evidence that it was Chamalan. The church burnt, that true but prove beyond reasonable doubt it was him and by extension Ruto & Sang. Remember this is another criminal case and the burden of proof lies with OTP.

          1. George mwaura September 18th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

            What beats me is how she observed the arsonists actions while cowering inside the church in fear of her life,no wnder, the kenyan judge prefered the arsonists explanation that he rushed there to restrain the murderous yuoths who were respoding to the call for mass action(evictions).it will be interesting to see how the foreign court makes of this.

          2. Guest September 18th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

            Now that a sober assessment. The Sunday Newspaper (or Saturday) had a story to the extent that OTP has no slum dunk evidence on Kiambaa church & their view is that it was an act of holigan rather than a premeditated act. This was after OTP 3 key witnesses on Kiambaa (the ones who claimed they were involved in planning) turned out to be unreliable

      2. Guest September 18th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

        Recounting what you saw is not strong enough. OTP would have had
        a stronger argument if they brought witnesses who could claim & collaborate
        that they were involved in the planning sessions, they actually bought fuel
        (say the filling station or so & so brought the fuel) and that through
        their intelligence system they learnt that some people (Kikuyus) would be seeking
        safe refuge at the Church at so & so time and as such they timed to go burn
        the church down. The witness could even cap it with suggestion of an oathing
        ceremony. This would be more credible otherwise in my view the defence has a
        strong case to say the church burning was an act of hooliganism by some 1000 or
        so Kalenjin youths who stumbled across helpless Kikuyus mostly women &
        children seeking refuge and the defence could further demonstrate that at that
        time Eldoret town was burning and Kikuyus’ properties was being burnt
        indiscriminately – farms, businesses etc. This therefore (burning of Church)
        was not an isolated incident but a spontaneous reaction of ODM supporters to an
        election loss. Remember, the burden of proof lies with OTP to demonstrate that
        Sand & Ruto systematically organised and coordinated the destruction of
        Kikuyu properties directly or indirectly.

  2. kamau Njoroge September 18th, 2013 at 12:24 am

    which church. If my memory serves me right its all politics. and please stop wasting our time Kenya has moved on. No one can prove anyone was killed in 2008/07 so lets move on

    1. Patriot September 18th, 2013 at 12:36 am

      May God have mercy on you

    2. Duncan Muchina September 18th, 2013 at 12:42 am

      Yes..sadly we have moved on….Benjuta and her team need to understand that. We lost loved ones but events have overtaken us. It was sad. Very sad that night but how will we help Kenya? ICC? Hardly….. We must choose to forgive and forget. That’s the only solution. Justice has two wings; real justice and MERCY. We choose mercy as a nation!

      1. guest September 18th, 2013 at 10:34 am

        Except in Kenya “Mercy” seems to have tribal boundaries.

        1. Kwessi Pratt September 18th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

          Yes, ever tribalistic Kenyans have been turned in to play things by our ever tribal politicians.

      2. Kwessi Pratt September 18th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

        The political marriage between kales and kikuyus was top down ward. It can never ever work that way. Real unity has to be bottom upwards. Which means reconciliation would be the first thing. If one of these guys goes under, we would be back to square one. And if they all sink, same same old suspicions would persist.

    3. Mjanja September 18th, 2013 at 7:23 am

      who told you Kenya moved on, that is why we are in Hague you tribalist

      1. MMouko September 18th, 2013 at 7:45 am

        Ever heard of satire?

    4. Gabby September 18th, 2013 at 11:26 am

      That’s if your name is ACTUALLY Kamau Njoroge. Why use a moniker, buddy, to sow falsehoods?

    5. Kwessi Pratt September 18th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

      You are spoiling the party and you cant be a Kamau. Real Kikuyus can easily tell who you are.

    6. kamau Njoroge September 20th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

      Lets just forget what happened and move on. This thing is brewing so much speculation and hatred


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