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Judges question is baseless in jurisprudence. A “common plan” can be by many but executed by one. Or in other words the plan can be hatched by many people but the degree of responsibility in execution is different. We have here a criminal suspect UHURU who hold the highest responsibility in executing the common plan. It was clear from the beginning when the prosecutor emphasized thy were prosecuting only the big fish behind the crimes. So the questions by the judges are inconsequential and illogical. Furthermore there are the same judges who never issued the warrant of arrest for the suspects, hence making it easy for suspects to use their finance muscle to intimidate the witnesses and even bribe them, rendering the case very complicated for the prosecution. The incompetence of the ICC judges has been exposed.
silly comment. if the witness claim to have been coached by kiai and omar.these are false witnesses.and the investigation will collapse.its just a matter of time. its like building a house on sand coz when it rains?ICC cant rely on bribed witnesses, this will compromise justice. remember one is innocent till proven guilty.(remember muthaura …et al who are now inoscent?).again you dont put suspects behind bar, ICC cannot accommodate suspects arrests as we have suspects worldwide begining with american solders in afganistan, iraq, etc etc
One is guilty or innocent til proved otherwise! It this case Uhuru has been confirmed by the court to be responsible of the crimes which is equally guilty till the tribunal decides otherwise after the full hearing but for now he is a dangerous man indeed. You argue like a tribal idiot fed with tribal opium, dancing a tribal tune. I have no kind words for tribalists so if I have offended u in anyway let me know so I can repeat it. Your example is based on military command, okay listen: In military the plan is drawn by a team of experts men of the same will but at the end they must recognize a particular executor of the plan. That’s why you will here like in America they will say the war plan by the marines is under responsibility of the commander General David Petraeus.
You are a brain washed sorry fool.Soon you will realize your tribalism leads to the kind of frustrations your tin god is exhibiting of late.
moss-moss-moss………never hit a man when he is lying down……..wait patiently until he crawls up and then greet him with the high-five squared.
Maybe you need to look at the confirmation ruling to understand why the judges pressed on this matter.The ruling says that muthaura,s contribution to the common plan was the overriding cause of the alleged crimes and they could not have happened without it.That he organized for maina njenga to cede control of mungiki to the two of them by organizing for payments of millions of shillings to him while in prison and eventually releasing him from prison as the price.The ruling is anchored on the premise that the crimes could not have happened without involvement of the gvt through muthaura. These are the acts constituting the charges.What is then left of the case when you remove the main and principal contributor?
You seem to have misunderstood. Confirmation of charges simply means the prosecution think they have enough evidence to make their case before a court of law. The suspect remains innocent throughout the trial as the evidence is presented and vetted by the judges. Uhuru is therefore innocent, as are all the suspects before the court.
The valid question from the judges, is whether there is any evidence given that they have thrown out everything the 4th witness was bribed to say.
When in doubt, try the ICC website so you can understand better.
Brilliantly said. Sometimes, I wonder why people ignorant of the facts of a matter dare open their traps (and thereby trap themselves through their ignorance).
Warped argument indeed. The cornerstone of any justice system is the presumption of innocence of the accused until guilt is proven. You cannot try to hoodwink us here that the pretrial chamber ruling meant that UK et. al were partially guilty. One is either found guilty on innocent.
Incompetence or not — they are driving this bus — therefore go to the back !!!!
10 robbers can attack a house and commit crimes beyond the capacity of one person.
The acquittal of 9 suspects, or even the failure of the prosecution to capture all 10, does not in any way influence the confidence with which that one person with good incriminating evidence is prosecuted and convicted!
A convict can’t ask the judge, “Where are my fellow crooks? I am innocent because you can’t find them.”
Hallo? “….with others not before the court……”
If Nine suspects having been captured/arrested are acquitted then the prosecution cannot charge the remaining accused with the offense jointly with others. The prosecution will have to amend the charge sheet and prosecute him alone, otherwise he will be acquitted.
One finger has never killed a louse. …….except in Musi-O-Tunyaland !!!!
The Civil Society in Africa (Githongo, Maina Kiai, Gladwell Otieno, Senator Omar Hassan etc……now they have appointed an African to disguise their intention, New ICC Chief Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda, Phakiso Mochochoko & Other African members in the Court) are selling/persecuting their Continent through their pay master (WEST) “he who pays pied piper make the music”. They have become White men errand boys & gals (home guards), what a shame…neocolonization at work.
On point bro