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  1. Achoka September 26th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    Hahahaaa, Mwanza KIGEUGEU…Let us all sing KiGeUgEu.. This guy contradicted himself several time during the live session. Mara he had intelligence info about the impending attacks, mara the info was not formal….???? He should be jailed.


    1. Dito September 26th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

      My goodness, there has never been a more shaky witness like this one!!! It was contradictions galore, even the judges told him so. Wow, I don’t know if I should laugh or be sad for Muthaura.
      Well, he was amazing from contradicting answers, wrong information to drifting all the way to Timbuktu…& back, when he should have simply answered ‘yes or no’

      1. Darubini September 26th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

        I have wathced the whole episode and the DC has truly put the prosecutor witnesses in suspicion. I think the judges will have to seep a few glasses to ponder to the question, who is truly saying the truth? But i can tell you Ocampo’s witnesses are exergeraing the whole episode in Naivasha in a manner they cannot support! It is that simple. You may lie, but how long can you sustain a lie? We also have relatives in Larger Nakuru and we know the cronology of events. The honourable thing is for judges to send Ocampo back to do indepedent investigations and come up with a credible evidence (not a crafted story) to prosecute the six and/or others, by doing that they will have done justice to both the victims and suspects. But as it stands, Ocampo’s evidence is an almagation of flimsy evidence that dosn’t add up or even make a loop!

        1. Dito September 27th, 2011 at 4:35 am

          Darubini, you are a joke! A BIG JOKE!!! The judges didn’t even wait to put him to task over his lies…C’mon, you are not addressing people who didn’t watch the proceedings. twice the presiding judge told him, his testimonies are not in agreement…It’s obvious they know he is lying.
          I feel sorry for you & many like you. You will be very hurt when these 6 especially these last 3 will be prosecuted, because you are in persistent denial-I have no clue how you guys will handle it when your sense of denial is stripped from you.

  2. James Sang September 26th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    I had decided to hold off my opinion on Mr Mwanza till
    the end, because in my view he was holding on OK – except for the part
    where the prosecution showed that he may not have been privy to ALL
    intelligence reports. But it took the presiding judge to demolish his
    testimony!! Basically, what she has shown is how inconsistent and
    perhaps unreliable this witness is. So Muthaura’s gamble has
    effectively unravelled!

  3. Francis September 26th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    How BEAUTIFUL-HOW-GLORIOUS-HOW REFRESHING to for once hear a PATRIOTIC KENYAN speak the truth! Though every bit saddening/horrifying/shameful the events as described by DC  MWANZA KATEE are as truthful as any sane Kenyan who has the decency to admit took place.He accepts with shame that in Naivasha Kikuyus attacked other tribes after emotions reached a boiling point-IT HAPPENED ON ONE DAY-IN BROAD DAYLIGHT.No planning could have lead to such.He took-TO HIS OFFICIAL HOME THOSE THE PROSECUTION CLAIMS the police were instructed not to help! His own family was in danger but he dedicated himself to serve others-GOD BLESS YOU.It was utter shock to hear the prosecution try to advance the theory that “NAIVASHA IS A LARGE ECONOMY FOR KIKUYUS TO FIGHT FOR/OVER” I have not been to Naivasha since the seventies-Buses to Eldoret/Kitale will not even drop you there-No one would fight to “CONTROL NAIVASHA”.I hope that as prosecution/counsel for victims narrate the magnitude of the violence-which every one knows-that they have the decency to know for a fact the following: THE “FIRST VICTIMS OF THE VIOLENCE WERE TWO POLICE OFFICERS FROM COLLEGE MURDERED ON THEIR WAY TO OFFICIAL ASSIGNMENT IN NYANZA” They were accused of being “PNU rigging group”.The police/provincial administration saved lives-they saved the country from annihilating itself.It is hoped that the ICC will put a permanent mark in the history of Kenya by doing the only thing the world entrusts it to do-JUSTICE.To see that COMM. ALI deserves honor not PERSECUTION at ICC.To rise up and allow one who has so served the world to achieve peace-AMB. MUTHAURA ENJOYS PEACE EVEN AS THE LORD GRANTS HIM HEALTH TO ENDURE.For Uhuru-HIS VOICE TO SEEK CALM/PEACE-HIS ACCEPTANCE IN 2002 WHEN “HIS SPONSOR CONTROLLED THE SECURITY APPARATUS” TO ACCEPT THE WILL OF PEOPLE-GUARANTEES HIM FAVOR WITH HIS MAKER.SHOULD HIS PERSECUTORS FIND FUN IN CONTINUING THE PROCESS-LIKE HIS FATHER BEFORE HIM-IT IS WORTH IT-The truth will/shall set you free.I owe the lives of all my family members today to the kindness of police and provincial officers in KOIBATEK who without regard to tribe put their lives on the line-YOU ARE OUR HEROES AND FOREVER WILL BE GRATEFUL. 

    1. 1234567 September 26th, 2011 at 9:11 pm

      The LORD whom you think you know will burn you in hell.

      1. Achoka September 26th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

         Rebuking someone is not a bad thing to do at times. Francis, you need to go to a therapist. The therapist will tell you that your brain imeganda kama maziwa lala. What truth did the DC say other than what is in the public domain……hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

        1. Yori Bracket September 27th, 2011 at 12:32 am

          Your own brain imejaa rotten fish!

          1. njeri September 27th, 2011 at 7:49 am

            capital it will be  good if this idiot called yori bracket is blacklisted 

          2. Dito September 27th, 2011 at 8:44 am

            It’s way overdue!

          3. Achoka September 27th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

            Fish is good for the brain/mind. Eat a lot of fish.  Yori Bracket, you’re my buddy..hahaha. I’m off to the bank to bank this.

        2. Funkdak September 27th, 2011 at 5:23 am

          “What truth did the DC say other than what is in the public domain…..”so yu agree he was saying the truth and that it is in the public domain.

    2. Anonymous September 26th, 2011 at 9:33 pm

      I do not think ICC judges saw Mr. Mwanza as a truthful witness as you want us to believe. It is a documented fact that most people in Naivasha died from panga cuts. The DC deliberately avoided that by falsely stating that the only crude weapons he saw were sticks and stones. He did mention that 19 people were burned to death and 4 died of gunshots. When the prosecution pressed him to state how the other 50% met their death, the cunning DC stated he did not know because he was more concerned with the living than the dead – really? Secondly, both OCPD and District Intelligence head stated in the Waki Commission that they had received intelligence that there were plans to attack Naivasha. Today Mr. Mwanza, the then head of Naivasha District Security and Intelligence Committee, categorically denied getting such information – was he kept in the dark or just being economical with the truth?
      The defence in their oppening remarks errorneously stated that there were about 30 policemen in Naivasha on January 27, 2008 and people were killed because the few officers could not cope. Today, the DC said he was very sure the town had over 100 AP and regular police officers. Going by the defense’s remarks, where were 70 officers when people were attacked in Naivasha? Were they ordered not to report? The judges did not believe him – that’s why he was asked to respond to the differences between what he stated in the Waki Commission and what he was saying today. Untruthful defense witnesses do not help. They water down the defense claim that Ocampo witnesses are unreliable. If I were Muthaura or Uhuru I would go the Henry Kosgey way – avoid bringing witnesses at this stage.

      1. Funkdak September 26th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

        i thot most people died from police or mungiki gunshots?? the defence is simply disapproving claims that police were inactive and that mungiki were ferried to naivasha..receiving intelligence about impeding attack from where and wat kind?? ufo attack?? the prosecution didnt specify but witness was smart enuff to avoid such..of course not everything that the witness claims will be accepted but he did a good job of dismantling the police inaction/mungiki theories.

        1. aluko September 27th, 2011 at 12:38 am

          At this stage, it is not necessary to bring witnesses whose credibility can be challenged by the prosecution. The defense lawyers themselves have already raised serious questions about Ocampo’s witnesses, especially witness No. 4. It will not help them (the defense) if the veracity of their witnesses’ testismony is in doubt. Sample this : Mr. Mwanza said he had never heard, not even from rumours, that the killings in Naivasha were planned. He may not agree with Ocampo’s charges, but he is at the Hague because some people have been accused of planning the Naivasha murders. By stating that, Mr. Mwanza was in essence telling the court that he was not sure why he was giving his testimony.

          Mr. Mwanza also stated (probably unknowingly) that the victims prefered taking refuge in GK prison to police stations. That alone supports Ocampo evidence about the police. The victims did not trust the police. And lastly there were glaring differences between what the DC said before Waki Commision  and what he said today. Then, he appeared angry at politicians and accused them of fanning and financing violence. Today the story changed.
          When he left the witness stand, the question remained – how different is this witness from Ocampo’s witness No. 4?

          1. Funkdak September 27th, 2011 at 5:20 am

            contrary to ill informed opinion..live witness testimony is more credible..remember the ICC was fair enuff to ask the witness wat exactly he meant after spotting inconsistencies..and good Kate was not quick to go ahead and make a final decision to throw away the testimony..and even assuming if this was the case (we dont kno tho) not the entire testimony is in dispute..remember the DC was saying stuff to the best of his knowledge giving room for errors..the guy was questioned for hours and only one inconsistency was pointed out which he made a good attempt to explain..now the prosecution witnesses will probably not have a chance to explain themselves this way..from wat i hrd is that idps took refuge in police stations, ap camp including his official residence and gk prison (probably minimum security)..now the strategy was to show that not only police were involved but the AP, anti stock theft unit and prisons as well..why do yu think the victims lawyer intervened? coz it was obvious the victims felt that justice appeared to be diminishing..and he to only made matters worse by pointing out to areas which dont even exist..a mistake for hiring foreign lawyers only..cant blame him for that tho..may be the cases will be confirmed but i can be sure not all..wich is not a bad starting point<<

        2. Dito September 27th, 2011 at 5:20 am

          That is what your mind is telling you to believe because the opposite would be too painful to bare.
          Allow me to dismantle a little lie: The witness was not SMART by avoiding to answer, legally that is a suicidal move. Plus, the prosecution & victims lawyers did mention the type of attack & he was given details about it…even quoting the OCPD’s letter, the NSIS information…Also, this witness was put on the spot by the judges 3 times. The judges were basically telling him, that he is lying…they quoted pages where he had said something different. Now, that is not being smart, he even  evaded the question & answered his own questions, Trendafilova told him-you have not answered my question. That was not smart, that is being stupid. That exposed him & I bet he hasn’t realised it yet.

          The judges also told him, that they are looking at evidence IN TOTALITY-some of which the defence does not have. I.e the redacted evidence, so that means there is evidence the OTP & the judges have that he is now claiming he doesn’t know about. Do not be fooled, there is evidence. Even of Mungiki being ferried in military vehicles, being given official uniforms…
          The prosecution for instance asked him, if he had any minutes, some notes on the security meeting, anything in his own handwriting? Why do you think they ask such leading questions? It’s because there is information to prove what they are asking….the prosecution would want you to deny, so they catch you in a lie, thus strengthening their case. Khan knows this, which is why he was objecting to those questions by the OTP. Next time, listen keenly to the questions, that’s the key! Disapproving everything the prosecution presents, can be suicidal for the defence.

          More so, when asked about the security meetings & if any minutes were taken, he denied…later he said he had some ‘notes’ but lost them-if you followed, those were crucial…In whose hands do you think they lay? The prosecution.
          When the defence or prosecution ask something & all you do is deny. Be very careful, they never ask something they don’t have evidence on…evidence that is not being made public. 
          If you limit yourself to what your heart wants you to believe, you will miss out on the big picture & will be terribly shocked when these charged are confirmed.

          1. Funkdak September 28th, 2011 at 8:08 am

            i thot it is a witnesses right guaranteed by the court to choose to decline to answer any question..i also thot judges sed no leading questions to be asked to witnesses..he sed minutes were sometimes taken by a secretary but not alwys as they had some sort of kamukunji meetings too..this was to be differentiated from his personal diary wich he also sed he didnt always record..i must admit i dint kno evidence wud be checked in totality..it probably means then if judges are not convinced on discrepancies explanation then this testimony will be rejected ryt?? so in the same lyt wat happens in the event both prosecution and defense testimony is rejected??..coz there were clear discrepancies in prosecution witness testimony too.

      2. George September 27th, 2011 at 4:47 am

        Francis,  I thought most people died from police or mungiki gunshots? The defence is
        simply disapproving claims that police were inactive and that mungiki
        were ferried to Naivasha

      3. Dito September 27th, 2011 at 5:26 am

        I couldn’t have said it better myself….That was a terrible defence witness for Muthaura.

        1. Vicky September 27th, 2011 at 6:51 am

          at Dito…very well said. the fact he gave contradictory statement from the Waki commission. that alone is suicidal. remember the remarks he said politician funding youth to participate in post election violence..that alone is much heavier. and when he was asked that this people that were dead what did they died with?and he replied he doesnt know and that he was more concerned of the living….that is a big lie.really big lie. u say u tried to protect the people and yet u didnt know what they died of.even madam president asked him question and he avoided and went to explain the new constitution is in place and blah blah.i think madam president was confused and even asked him the second time is that your answer and he said yes. for me this witness opened big hole big holes espcially giving contradictory reports.lets wait and see.

    3. 1234567 September 26th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

      @Francis, It is blasphemous for you to insuniate that Muthaura is a God-fearing man when the other day he was installed a traditional elder. Njuri Ncheke elders go to offer sacrifices to the dead and the Meru spirits in the forests of MtKenya where they burn goats for idols and take oaths, a practice of witchcraft done before Christianity was introduced in Kenya.

      1. Funkdak September 26th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

        how many tyms have other politicians from across the political divide been installed elders in similar functions across the country and they are all “Christians”??

      2. Yori Bracket September 27th, 2011 at 12:30 am

        What utter ignorance! Get yourself educated about African council of elders (the equivalent of today’s cabinet) and do not regurgigate the colonial nonsense and myths. All great societies had kings rulers and each works with a council of elders – never a one man show or dictatorship. Ojinga!

    4. Oludavin September 27th, 2011 at 8:31 am

      Francis! If u think u’ve something gud take your stand at hague…. stop wating your energy fooling yourself and others! The tight Evidence Ocampo are not subject to confirmation hearing but at the later stage! At this stage they just need to give strong case… convincing confirmation and thay have already done. The full hearing is uninvitable coz the judges cannot release the suspects on doubt, there must be no reasonable doubt, but up to now… there are lots of doubts!

  4. Gmwaura September 26th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Well, the theory of the D.C being directed to stand down the police so that some people could be killed has been delt a fatal blow.FROM THE PROSECUTION QUSTIONS ,IT WAS INDEED JUST A FUNCIFULL THEORY.Ocampos case seems to be in its death bed!

    1. Ndumeoloingoni September 26th, 2011 at 8:43 pm

      Francis!Just like anyone else,you’re entitled to your own opinions.However,you cannot expect any junior officer to talk contrary to the wishes of his boss.Muthaura is the head of Public Service and Secretary to the Cabinet!!

  5. Tajiri September 26th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

     It is easy to discredit him (mwanza) based on some few anomalies here n there but overly he awashed muthaura off accusations of issuing orders to police to act in whatever way.

    1. aluko September 26th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

      All that has been reported here is not even 10% of what transpired today and some of you who want to start celebrating after reading the above write-up, are going to miss the mark by a very wide margin. The poor DC even stated he did know what Mathuara – the person he went to Hague to defend – was being accused of; that he had never heard, even from rumours, that the Naivasha killings were planned. In essence he did not know why he was giving his testimony. He also made a very incriminating remark – that Luos who were fleeing the violence prefered to take refuge in Naivasha GK prison  to police stations. This a clear corroborating evidence that the victims knew the police were compromised. Although his story was different today, in the Waki’s report Mr. Mwanza stated that the politicians were to blame for giving money to the poor to cause chaos – the backbone of Ocampos charges against Uhuru and Mathaura. It is a waste of money and time to take these witnesses to Hague – they will cause more harm than good. Charges are likely to be confirmed, if the judges doubt their credibility.

      1. Yori Bracket September 27th, 2011 at 12:37 am

        After Kibera, RV and Nyanza massacres and displacemen of kabila adui and madoadoa did you expect candies from the same community in Naivasha? 

        1. Mwendwa September 27th, 2011 at 8:24 am

          If we were go back into time, Jan 2008 to be precise, many
          of these half-baked witnesses, the murderers and their sponsors would be long
          gone. Cyanide would have come in handy. Any survivors would have been
          dosed with fortified Anthrax spores…and I mean it….  

      2. Funkdak September 27th, 2011 at 5:34 am

        he clearly sed he did not know Muthaura personally..we all know politicians (all of them and not uhuru only) dish out money but the question is can yu prove it?? effectively meaning all chaos in Kenya (not naivasha only) were politically ignited..Muthaura is not a politician so that statement doesnt count him in..when a witness says he doesnt know anything yu will have to eat that no matter how silly yu think it is..yu wont enter his brain and prove otherwise

    2. Wangi September 27th, 2011 at 11:16 am

      tajiri, what did you expect him to say. he was the mutharus witness. but capital news his biased why are they just allover sudden concentaring only wht mwanza said. to me he doesnt look like a dc. a dc is not a small man.

  6. Guest September 26th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Anybody here who thinks the guy is telling the truth must have been somewhere else during the PEV. I was in Naivasha and the only thing that made me survive was because I look like a Kikuyu and I also speak a little kikuyu. I remember us being stopped by Mungikis twice while the police men were watching at a distance, doing totally nothing while innocent Kenyans were being killed. I think its time we think about this and find a way forward. It was done and it happened but life has to move on. Lets forget about all this for the sake of the future. Remember, 2012 is just around the corner.

    1. Tajiri September 26th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

      How do you identify mugiki’s, unless you have association with them.

      1. Funkdak September 26th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

        i agree with yu taj..guest is one of those ill informed kenyans who doesn’t differenceiate btn kikuyu thugs and mungiki

      2. Dito September 27th, 2011 at 5:36 am

        TAJIRI, SPOT ON!!! That is where the DC was caught in his lie…The DC claimed the mungiki did not have labels, how then would he have known that they were not masquerading as police complete with uniforms? In other words, if you can not identify them just by looking, how would you know for sure they were not blending with the rest, i.e the rest of the police…?
        This witness doesn’t know how he helped the prosecution. Remember, cross-examining also brings out further info to fill in the gaps, for either side. So watch this space, that bit on identification of mungikis will be used against the defence…watch this space.

        1. Funkdak September 27th, 2011 at 6:23 am

          the truth is if yu cant identify mungiki by looking then the only way to know is if yu are one of them..as far as the DC was concerned he was familiar with his officers and didnt see any strangers(not necessarily mungiki)..if they blended with police he didnt and cudnt have known supporting the fact that even the prosecution cudnt be sure that there wa mungiki in police uniform as the public cudnt know

          1. Dito September 27th, 2011 at 7:16 am

            Exactly Funkdak. And I quote you,  ‘then the only way to know is if yu are one of them’ 

            The prosecution has EXTRA HARD EVIDENCE PLUS REAL WITNESSES, I.E MUNGIKI’S who are now working with the prosecution. They would know each other, the leaders of the mungiki who are OTP witnesses, know their people, they know the people who sent them…That’s all the prosecution needs at this point to finger Uhuru et al….And that is where this point all unravels.
            The prosecution has on it’s side those very mungiki, who took part in the Naivasha massacres, who lead their fellow mungiki’s to attack & kill. That’s a very scary thing for the defence to deal with.

            Now, the DC said himself they received reinforcement-REINFORCEMENT from other areas…so the DC might know who ‘his boys’ were. But the others, he didn’t….& that’s where the Mungiki in police uniform come in, ascertained by the mungikis in the OTP camp.

          2. Funkdak September 27th, 2011 at 8:50 am

            the meaning of hard evidence is mostly of forensic nature and not anonymous witness accounts wich myt as well be theoretically be one person or many or even the prosecution itself..unless they produce video clips,phone logs etc it will be hearsay and defense will allege cook up..yu need to watch Ross Kemp investigations on mungiki..a first hand independent account with video footage..and even he himself was unable to verify violent mungiki nature..just youtube it and see for yoself..anyway false witnesses have been proven to appear before eg the deliberate and inaccurately misleading translation of the Keter audio clip meant to solidify prosecution case against Ruto..two media houses ascertained to that fact..another one is the misleading transcript produced by hon Midiwo about a Muthaura meeting remember?? it too was debunked in the media and those stories quietly died down..if the prosecution has hard evidence so be it..watafungwa..but as of now nothing has cropped up..we are waiting<<

          3. Dito September 27th, 2011 at 9:16 am

            ‘unless they produce video clips,phone logs etc it will be hearsay and defense will allege cook up’
            My, oh my…Unfortunately your statement shows you’re not well versed with the Rome Statutes. That kind of evidence, the HARD EVIDENCE IS YET TO BE REVEALED. That is required at the TRIAL, Not pre-trial. What you have been hearing is not what can convict the Ocampo-6, that is not the hard evidence I’m talking about. But the judges may have parts if not all of it, in the redacted evidence.
            At this stage Ocampo needs to prove, because the burden of proof is on the OTP, that there is some form of involvement of the suspects to the cases. Anonymous witnesses are just fine at this stage…In fact, Judge Trendafilova discouraged the use of live witnesses, she urged the defence to re-consider using live witnesses. Which tells you live witnesses are not the best option at this stage…something you had argued earlier on.

            The pre-trial judges will set this case aside, if & only if there is NO REASONABLE DOUBT that any of the 6 were not involved in the crimes. That is not the case here. Many people argue he shouldn’t wait to save the best, strongest, hardest evidence for the trial because what if it doesn’t get to trial? 
            Those individuals do not know how the ICC /pre-trial chamber works. There is a certain LOW sufficient evidence required at this stage to confirm the charges. Witnesses in the Charles Taylor case mentioned names of individuals who were long dead, defence argued inconsistencies (just like Kosgey’s-the best defence thus far) but the judges looked at the essence of the message of the witnesses & allowed for it to go into trial. Also this decision was based majorly on evidence which the public had no access t–just like the O-6 cases.
            What I’m saying is, if the Charles Taylor, Bemba cases had less evidence more inconsistencies etc but went on to trial what about the Kenya case which is better in quality. The threshold passed a long time ago.

            Another thing, Ross Kemp is no International Criminal Court. Of course the ICC has more investigative power than a single individual. Ross Kemp can not be used as a yardstick for the quality of investigations needed for crimes against humanity.

          4. Funkdak September 27th, 2011 at 9:40 am

            as i sed before..m making personal judgements on wat i hrd not wat i dont know..n i sed labda he has hard evidence wich i dont believe he has..based on the little evidence that ocampo has so far produced it just doesnt add up wen yu even compare with the human ryts report wich he partially tapped into..both the prosecution and defense have quoted media reports in their arguments to support their cases and Ross is one of them..nobody is saying trials wont go on..i dont kno..i just dont think he will nail suspects..my opinion is that ocampo will lose the case..but its not up for me to decide..tutajua baadaye

          5. Mwangi September 27th, 2011 at 11:19 am

            bwana please undersatnd one thing. DCS CONTROL APS NOT POLICE. so he cannt know all the policemen in naivasha n those who came from other places.

  7. Funkdak September 26th, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    the prosecution desperately tryd to connect the DC with ambassador Muthaura and they failed miserably..the only contradictions that judges spotted was on intelligence reports on which he explained himself..now whether judges believe him we cant say..Ocampo appears to be failing to prove his police laxity and mungiki theories and connecting them to Muthaura..that was the defense strategy which seems to be working for now..cant wait for afteh for more Ocampo shredding<<

  8. tinatana September 27th, 2011 at 12:22 am

    Francis Muthaura’s witness former D.C Mwanza is a let down,big time!The prosecution pinned him down!How do you fly all the way to The Hague to defend someone and you don’t know what he is accused of?He was lying and it was out in the open,he went ahead to say he could not tell a Mungiki coz they are not labeled,then he says Kikuyu youth were killing people how did he know they are or not Mungiki if they are not labeled?the 3 questions Judge Ekaterina asked him carried a lot of weight…he did not even answer any of them instead he went out of context..rambling about our new constitution…why did he contradict himself from his statement in the Waki report?Something is just not adding up..to the victims..those killed..those maimed..Woman and children who were raped..left homeless..My heart goes out to you….take it from Me!Justice shall prevail!

    1. Dito September 27th, 2011 at 4:49 am

      Thank you for expressing the VERY OBVIOUS. I kid you not there is serious denial, I mean Serious almost lethal denial with very many capital bloggers. When the denial is stripped off them, they will not handle it. I get the impression, majority don’t even watch the proceedings, they are relying on Capital’s false reporting. I’ve got news for you people, start following the real proceedings & not someone’s opinion…By the time a presiding Judge-Judge Ekaterina, literally tells you that your 2 testimonies (waki testimony & current testimony) are not in agreement, by the time she tells you to your face that you are inconsistent quoting pages from previous statements you have made…..you know it is not going well.
      Even if crucial information is blacked out, so that you who is not watching the proceedings and understanding the twists and turns, is deceived. The facts will not change. The defence did a very poor job.

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  10. Funkdak September 27th, 2011 at 6:41 am

    i wonder why the taliban and siafu gangs were not mentioned in ocampo case yet they were alleged to be responsible for violence in kibera and parts of mathare north..according to the human rights report..this shows the selective nature of ocampo investigations..when yu read the kenya human ryts report wich the prosecution heavily relied on yu will begin to see why these conspiracy theories are cropping up all over

  11. Desire September 27th, 2011 at 6:44 am

    so if its not Uhuru,Muthaura, & Ali.then who were the politicians who directed the pnu wing with state blessings,muthaura & co, you will swear with all godly books,call all civil servants of kenya in your defence after all shuttle diplomacy,we pray for the victims ang may you be incarcerated in a poor african country as a lesson and shame of kikuyu using the state security and mungiki thugs too stay in power after loosing & continue looting other kenyans

    1. Dito September 27th, 2011 at 7:06 am

      Preach on!!!!!:-)

  12. Anonymous September 27th, 2011 at 8:31 am

    the question here is whether muthaura order all this nonsence or he didnt.not matter of showing how we know or we didnt

  13. Funkdak September 27th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    people here are swallowing rumors lyk mbochez..ya’ll read the kenya human ryts report carefully..remember this report was used by the prosecution extensively in thier case against suspects


    download and read before speaking and yu will see why ocampo is being accused of selective and pathetic investigations..mungiki is not the only gang accused there are well over ten gangs majority from ODM..none of them were mentioned..if ocampo was serious he wud have netted the whole lot from kibaki raila ruto kenyatta balala etc

    as for who gave mungiki blessings at state house?? labda ni wewe..provide evidence to ocampo..their emails are in the public domain at icc.org

    1. Dito September 27th, 2011 at 8:51 am

      Why don’t you also share your views of how incompetent & biased Ocampo is. I’m sure the 3 bench judges who have thoroughly analysed the submissions for more than a year, hence allowing a pre-trial would really find your opinion very useful. The CORRECT address is www.icc-cpi.int/Menus/ICC

  14. Michel Jeff September 27th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Well… when it rains it actually pours. Looks like Muthaura’s witness is doing more damage than good. It is hard to reconcile what he is saying and what he said to Waki. As a layman, generalities in his sentences could be a smoking bazooka to the defense.Let me remind You guys of few rules of court engagement,
    1.      the judge is not your friend s/he has a reputation to build 2.      No whipping of emotion will move a judge ( so forget tour sincerity it will be Zero score pls.3.      Just answer the question as brief as possible no plus or minus. If you add more u have set ourself to bath with sewage4.      The proecuter will always try to work you up and get your other side. You know what?.. he is so happy when u are angry—this is the time that the cows go home for milking. U will be dead before u know it.. I fear for Uhuru coz he is one such guy who get worked up so easily
     Conclusion,This witness has sold Muthaura more than he helped him 

  15. Latonesha September 27th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    A mere theory my a**e! Then why did you have to move your family to safer grounds?

  16. Kwesimsa September 27th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    Odm’s commander in has twice visited violence on Kenyans. Both in 1982 and 2007/8. Whats going on at the Hague is actually off the mark and no amount of propaganda can change facts, if not true history.

    1. Anonymous September 27th, 2011 at 3:07 pm

      Those are facts, if at all they are, that cannot help at this time. The truth of the matter is that senior members of Kibaki administration are fighting tooth and nail to save themselves from life imprisonment at the Hague. Let’s hope and pray that all will be well with them, especially Amb. Muthaura

  17. Anonymous September 27th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    The DC is like the other kenyan MPs who went to hague to make fool of themselves and came back. To be precise, they went there shit around and left the whole mess. He didn’t see mungiki wearing APs Uniform, he saw them wearing what or he never saw any mungiki. He is not being sincere. Mungiki used to be seen by everybody everywhere. The Dc should intelligently defend his boss and he should know better that he was serving the same people who were being killed by mungiki and not his boss. 


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