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  1. Johnnyoketch August 1st, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    About time too! Maybe now we will be spared the nonsensical, premature, presidential campaigns, even if only for September.

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    1. Anantpanchmatia August 2nd, 2011 at 2:29 am

      If after this Uhuru Kenyatta is thinking of an alliance with Ruto then he is comitting a political sucide.

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      1. Justice Demands August 2nd, 2011 at 6:42 am

        There will be no Uhuru alliance.  The chap and Muthaura must be having running stomachs.    They are done.  Let us wait and see what Ocampo has in store for them

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  2. Mazzdark August 1st, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    That’s a short sharp rainstorm, with forecast for more, expect thunderstorms and lightning!!

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  3. Karisdom August 1st, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    If this is what happened then it is a breath take away  scary.Let the law take its course

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  4. commes August 1st, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Ocampo was playing us with those newspaper cuttings.  The 38-page Documents Containing Charges is no joke.  It is serious stuff.   If I had money or influence, I would buy off Ocampo and ICC to kill this case.  Finally shit hits the fan

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  5. ALBERT August 1st, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    Its a shock that Ruto is mentioned as kalenjin elder and according to Ocampo evidence he had influence as far as Nyanza. He Ocampo should get him another title nt Kalenjin Elder. Ocampo witnesses and others of the same opinion and thoughts should also know there is nowhere in Kalenjin land where traditional weapons are sold cz some of us could be aware or heard about the said market. If possessing traditional arms is crime against humanity, da hague should expand its prisons cz every Kenyan has traditional weapons and we are nt yet ready to kill our tradition by destroying or byway of disarmament.

    Ocampo its a shame, unprocedural and unproffessional for you to collect information one agrieved side of the divide and use against the other which is equally aggrieved. The exhibits you are using against some suspects were collected by Govt organs which have no merits, Why didnt Ocampo visit affected areas and take as much time collect his own and reliable evidence, why were you in hurry to start summons using evidence from opportunists who wanted to change their lives in the name of ICC witness protection.

    It will be shock to Ocampo soon he reveals the so called crucial and strong evidence against the suspects as the truth shall never be hidden.

    ALBERT ARAP MATIAN KING’EN.

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    1. Kitty August 2nd, 2011 at 7:52 am

      This is only the beginning, soon we shall read  the damage done by Uhuru and Muthaura . Hauwezi tetea hawa watu, lives were lost Albert! It has happened every election year, am glad something is being done out of the last.

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    2. Mike Okwogo August 2nd, 2011 at 8:32 am

      …are you planning another violence? what would be the shock you talk about? We want to go about our lives in peace,pleaase!

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  6. Dan August 1st, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    @ALBERT! don’t show your  ilogical jurisprudence here! A political Kalenjin elder can have influence in other parts of the nation even to non kalenjin communities especially if he idefies himself with a powerful influential and appealing party like ODM. Since the rest of your argument sound like apologetic and a defence of the mentioned suspects, I’d advice you apply to appear as their  broken hearted attoney or even just as an “AMICUS CURIAE”. For you to call Ocampo evidence “opportunistic” without substantiating is a sign of dispartion and “Desperation is like stealing from the Mafia: you stand a good chance of attracting the wrong attention…Desperation is a necessary ingredient to learning anything, or creating anything. Period. If you ain’t desperate at some point, you ain’t interesting.” Dont perpetuate here an art of deseption and impunity!

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    1. Madmax August 4th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

      oh Dan,ua command of English is wow,but u lack something upstairs

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  7. Davidolusi August 1st, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    IT’S EITHER RETRIBUTIVE OR RESTORATIVE JUSTICE IN THE CASE OF “PEV”. NO MORE, NO LESS! REST IS IMPUNITY!
    “There is no calamity which a great nation can invite which equals that which follows a supine submission to wrong and injustice and the consequent loss of national self-respect and honour, beneath which are shielded and defended a people’s safety and greatness”
     Retributive justice appeals to the notion of “just dessert” the idea that people deserve to be treated in the same way they treat others. It is a retroactive approach that justifies punishment as a response to past injustice or wrongdoing. The central idea is that the offender has gained unfair advantages through his or her behaviour, and that punishment will set this imbalance straight. In other words, those who do not play by the rules should be brought to justice and deserve to suffer penalties for their transgressions. Retributive justice plays a central role in legal proceedings, responding to violations of international law and human rights,  war crimes adjudication or in general all crimes against humanity.
     “Men feel that cruelty to the poor is a kind of cruelty to animals. They never feel that it is an injustice to equals; nay it is treachery to comrades”
     However, because there is a tendency to slip from retributive justice to an emphasis on revenge, some suggest that restorative justice processes are more effective. While a retributive justice approach conceives of transgressions as crimes against the state or nation, restorative justice focuses on violations as crimes against individuals. It is concerned with healing victims’ wounds, restoring offenders to law-abiding lives, and repairing harm done to interpersonal relationships and the community.
     “Anger is a very appropriate and necessary response to an injustice. But stand back now; the truth, clearly spoken, is always your best weapon. Calmly spoken, it can burn a hole through the hardest heart”
     Victims take an active role in directing the exchange that takes place, as well as defining the responsibilities and obligations of offenders. Offenders are encouraged to understand the harm they have caused their victims and take responsibility for it. Restorative justice aims to strengthen the community and prevent similar harms from happening in the future. At the national level, such processes are often carried out through victim-offender mediation programs, while at the international level restorative justice is often a matter of instituting truth and reconciliation commissions, and in the case of crimes against humanity as per the international law, then the ICC under the UN is the only fair institution to bring about justice especially in the Kenyan PEV case where impunity in the government is a disease yet to be cured. We therefore must support the ICC (OCAMPO) process with full knowledge that the so named six are just but suspects though at the end of the day the innocent shall be free and the guilty must be punished.
    Lack of compassion for anyone outside one’s immediate family or tribe has become almost automatic. A non-tribesman is virtually seen as a nonperson and hence quite murderable.
    Tribalism is the scourge of Africa.” Unless tribalism goes, much of what we have achieved could be lost overnight.” Tom Mboya. Until Kenyan leaders unify divisive tribes and build strong economies, the dream cannot be attained. Over most of Kenya, false expectations of instant progress have incited unrest and power drives by rival tribes. Exploited by ambitious politicians, tribalism has become the chief complication of almost every major conflict in Kenya.
    But tribalism is not only the Kenyan’s burden; it is also the ground of her being, and therein lies its strength. Nearly every Kenyan, however cosmopolitan he may be, he still derives his primary identity from his tribe, together with a loyalty toward his fellow tribesmen that is as fierce as is his utter disregard for any outsider. So inseparable are the images of a man and his tribe in Kenya that it is as if he carried an invisible mark on his skin. When things go wrong, the tribe itself remains, when you have to go there, they have to take you in.
    As relatively powerless people, tribesmen believe in magic, usually hate outsiders and respect any kinsman who survives long enough to grow old. What makes tribes different from nations? Unlike tribes, nations are inclusive and pluralistic; they contain large bodies of unrelated citizens governed by complex political institutions through such abstract notions as patriotism. 
    With few exceptions, multi-party forms of democracy left behind by the departing colonial powers have vanished. Reason: the tribal tradition of decision by consensus leaves no room for a “loyal opposition.” To the Kenyan mind, a political group is either for the government or against it, and if the latter, it has no business existing. One paradoxical reason is the very profusion of Kenyan tribes; no one tribe dominates the rest. Moreover, it is one of Kenya’s many ironies that tribalism can be used to create national unity as well as shred it.
    What Kenya needs is precisely such transmutations of tribal loyalties to the larger loyalties of nationhood. The task is formidable, and not only because of the weight of tradition. For the foreseeable future, Kenya’s expectations must constantly outrace gratification a spur that gives hope for ultimate progress but also inevitably promises more civil wars and revolutions. Unfortunately, a new order and a new map of Kenya may eventually emerge only after tribes and the nation may have gone through many violent tests of strength. If Kenya does surmount its troubles, it will have to find substitutes for tribalism, with its emphasis on order, authority and belonging. To harness those values in peaceful ways is Kenya’s challenge and a great drama.
    What are the nature and the causes of modern tribalism? Philosophically, tribalism is the product of irrationalism and collectivism. It is a logical consequence of modern philosophy. If men accept the notion that reason is not valid, what is to guide them and how are they to live? Obviously, they will seek to join some group any group which claims the ability to lead them and to provide some sort of knowledge acquired by some sort of unspecified means. If men accept the notion that the individual is helpless, intellectually and morally, that he has no mind and no rights, that he is nothing, but the group is all, and his only moral significance lies in selfless service to the group they will be pulled obediently to join a group. But which group? Well, if you believe that you have no mind and no moral value, you cannot have the confidence to make choices so the only thing for you to do is to join an un-cohesion group, the group into which you were born, the group to which you were predestined to belong by the sovereign, omnipotent, omniscient power of your body chemistry.
    This, of course, is tribalism. But if your group is small enough, it will not be called “tribalism”: it will be called “ethnicity.”
    Tribalism is when one group of people start to think people from another group are “wrong by default”. It’s the great-granddaddy of racism and sexism. And the most dangerous kind of tribalism is completely invisible: it has nothing to do with someone’s “birth tribe” and everything to do with their affiliations: where they work, which sports team they support, which Linux distribution they love. Let’s be clear: tribalism makes you stupid.
    The very uncool thing about being a fanboy (or fangirl) of a project is that you’re openly declaring both a tribal affiliation and a willingness to reject the work of others just because they belong to a different tribe. Tribalism is prevalent throughout our country and politics being a game of kinship, politicians exploit our differences to advance their own goals. If we want to be pawns in the political game, then let’s go ahead and swallow that bait hook, line and sinker. I don’t suppose anyone wants to be called a pawn so let’s wake up if we have fallen for the bait and channel our energies towards the real enemy-corruption.
    Why do I believe corruption is more dangerous when ethnocentrism has torn our Country “Kenya” apart? I am not naïve. Tribalism is dangerous because that is what is used to galvanize the support of the masses that subsequently leads to mob actions. According to this, Tribalism arguments; that make people think they belong to a better tribe are as baseless as “the other tribe has not done anything useful” or “my world is more important than his” or “evidence contrary to my belief does not count” and so on.
    Nepotism and Tribalism are two poisonous diseases at large in our society and nation: Nepotism is “favoritisms shown to relatives or close friends by those with power or influence”.
    Tribalism is positively, “loyalty to a tribe or tribal values”. Negatively, tribalism is “a way of thinking or behaving in which people are more loyal to their tribe than to their friends, their country, or any other social group”. “A ‘tribe’ in Kenya is a particular identity construction created by colonial powers in an effort to more easily dominate the population & in contrast an ‘ethnicity’ is a group of people who share a common identity, rituals, and, most commonly language.”
    The writer is an Expert in Moral Justice and Situational Ethics.

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  8. Jckipsoiwa August 2nd, 2011 at 4:40 am

    This is pure madness by the wakoloni mambo leo! No one planned the violence, it was due to stolen election. If they were plans to expel people from other communities they would have done it before election so that they don’t vote in P.N.U in the region. The two can not connect!!!

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    1. Kitty August 2nd, 2011 at 7:45 am

      Read properly, this was schemed since 2006 Nkt!

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    2. Yori Bracket August 2nd, 2011 at 8:09 am

      Post election violence did not start with 2007 elections. It has been growing systematiccally since Moi days – Molo, Likoni etc and always Kikuyu have been the victims. ‘Stolen’ elections or not no life should be lost coz of some selfish tribal bigots

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    3. gabu August 2nd, 2011 at 8:26 am

      pple and u still talk abt stolen election? do u see a connection in ur own statements? ocampo is not here to decide who won, stole or otherwise, we jus need to catch the ones that KILLED and INJURED fellow kenyans. nkt!

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    4. Hawk eye view August 3rd, 2011 at 6:38 am

      This escapist excuse that violence visited upon innocent people in Rift valley can be justified because the elections were stolen in Nairobi will not wash. Remember Kriegler found out that the elections were so bungled across the board that there was no way of confirming with certainty who would have won. Indeed stories abound of over 100% turnout  in many ODM strongholds and perfectly able and educated individuals being assisted to vote in RV in order to deliver a predetermined result. So if this is your mind set, next time someone steals from you ask the judge to allow you to rape them.

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  9. Maks August 2nd, 2011 at 5:35 am

    Someone has to be responsible for what happened in 2007/2008. Wacha wakajitetee wenyewe. The good thing it is an example that never again will people kill others and get away with it in this country. We are tired of such high levels of impunity. Let the court deal with them

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  10. Linx August 2nd, 2011 at 7:10 am

    this is indeed a movie scene!!

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  11. gabu August 2nd, 2011 at 8:35 am

    watu wakuwe serious. people died, many lost their homes, many others injured. property destroyed, source of livelihood, not to mention our economy took a bad hit. and pple still want to say that this is a joke? @ albert, just be honest ok. if he is innocent, let him prove it. and not just him by the way so dont play victim here.

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  12. Karume Kinyua August 2nd, 2011 at 9:15 am

    why is raila and Kibaki being left out. they are supposed to be the main suspects here.

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  13. ken August 2nd, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    such a long text pal!

    I think a lot has gone under without justice, it time we just gave the due process of the law to take cause and the facts will be domstrated. Lets think of this woman who was sloughtered in Naivasha and the baby crying next to her? what elso can/shall we explain when we dont allow justice for h/her? lets stay calm and we shall know the innocent and the criminals at the end.

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  14. Alexmtmt August 2nd, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    The whole issue is political to lock out some presidential candidates at the expense of others. Why not prosecute Raila and he is the who called for mass action after  he was defeated by Mwai kibaki. Why not prosecute Mudavadi as he is the one who engineered kikuyus to flushed out mumias and their houses torched? Ocampo is purely playing politics being an ODM mole

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    1. Info August 3rd, 2011 at 6:56 am

      It takes quite a large amount of either ignorance or a superiority complex coupled with a sense of entitlement to imagine that the 2007 general election had a clear winner. And additionally, the ICC is prosecuting those it can successfully charge, not just random people because you want it to. This is not political…and I have a feeling you know that.

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    2. Juma26 August 3rd, 2011 at 1:20 pm

      I thought ignorance would never get this far. Just because ruto and uhuru say its political does not make it that. Seems raila is god of the universe to even influence the icc. I have never supported raila but at least i think and reason independently and know for sure the right people are on that list.

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  15. Anonymous August 3rd, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    Focus is on drought currently; We chose Hague “the better option”, “smooth all the way”, “Imara kama Simba”, “Connecting people” etc

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  16. Gmogire2007 August 3rd, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    the principals should be involved and judged alongside their liutenants

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  17. Titus Iguria August 3rd, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    A lot has been said about this matter but there is no denying the fact that people were murdered needlessly, property was destroyed and society was disrupted. There was gross injustice! The truth is that there were people who were privy to the grizzly happenings and had a hand in the planning and execution of it. The motive of the trial is to try and establish who were involved however remote the circumstance and bring them to book. Despite these infamous six being the small/big fry of the atrocity it should serve as a first case in our Country where an attempt has been made to seek justice in the face of gross impunity and probably put paid to these very primitive, inhuman tendency among some within our society who believe that being a part of a certain tribe or political class gives them license to rape, murder, destroy others property at will and without legal recourse. The mere fact that others have not been roped in does not mean that they are not culpable, if indeed they are! The onus is on these six to prove, with evidence, who were their paymasters, unless of course, they were merely executing their own agenda! It is indeed my great desire and prayer that ALL who were involved should be brought to justice. That should be allowed to happen with a fair and honest trial of these six suspects. They too must be sincere to state truthfully what transpired in court and not by whipping public sympathy to try and distract the world from the truth of this heinous crime with allegations of political mischief on the part of the ICC prosecutor or any other party for that matter.
    Unfortunately, most of the suspects have declared interest in political leadership at the highest level of public office. With such serious suspicion, what sort of credibility are they bringing to the public? How can we trust murder suspects in State House? How should we trust people suspected of arson to provide security to our homes in the Nation? How can we trust to be united as a Nation of diverse ethnic groups by individuals who have very recently executed extreme intolerant acts of ethnic separation by way of genocide? These questions among others beg to be answered every time I see and hear these suspects blowing their trumpets regardless of the tunes bellowed. I am sorry but unless one chooses to be deliberately obtuse or one is naturally stupid the argument being fostered in favour of political machination in the ICC trial has no substance.

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  18. madmax August 4th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    I luv Ocampo,I knw he will nail them infact,ruto should take his battle to the courts not public gallary,I fear that he might kiss kenya goodbye.Bravo Ocampo.crush their balls.

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