• Freddy

    Am sorry for you! You are disillusioned maybe by you employer or your job. What is the role of the government! Nyanza is poor because of government strategies..kaeni hivo hivo! After so many HIV deaths there was a high dependency rates of over 20 pax. This brings in frustration and thus engagement in dangerous activities.

    • Levi

      If I get the gist of Mr Odongo’s article, he is not arguing that Nyanza hasn’t been neglected by successive governments. The truth is, compared to Central Kenya which was grossly neglected by Moi’s government for the 24 years of his rule, the people of that region did not resign their fate to what the Govt did or did not do. They rolled up their sleeves and got busy to build their livelihoods in spite of Government. Anyone in Kenya can do that. People in Turkana are doing that and lifting themselves out of poverty. No credit to national or county governments for that. Trying to blame government for what you term “engagement in dangerous activities” is outrightly cheap. But again, it follows a pattern of having to blame someone else for problems that are within as we have seen in successive presidential elections.

      • s mwaura

        I full support you Levi.
        I leave in a well to do upmarket Nairobi suburb and not by coincidence the same borders Kiambu county.
        The residents here are all from Central Kenya except that odd Luo scholar.
        Most if not all of the residents run this or that business in the city.
        There’s a joke that goes around here that no one can afford to live here if he or she earns a salary.
        If you say Kikuyu’s got where they are because of Kenyatta and Kibaki, Kalenjins courtesy of Moi then pray who patronised the Wahindis to be where they are?
        Did at some point in time have a mhindi president to make the community the most successful in business?
        By the way who said it is easier to get a govt contract if you are aKikuyu or a Kalenjin in this country?
        I will tell you this for free.
        The easiest person to get that contract will be a mhindi since he has the right company, read registered entity, financial backing, read trustworthy banking history and employs the best workers in terms of skills.
        The rest of us love sitting the whole day whinning about bad governance, blaming this or that tribe for our woes as others rake in billions from government and private contracts.
        Our very schooled Engineers from Nyanza will retire in Kibra as a senior Engineering manager in a big Mhindi construction firm where the Singh owner never went past o level, but lives in Kitsuru.

        • Pundit

          Thanks for this. People dont know that Kikuyus are matter of fact worse off with a kikuyu president than otherwise. When was the last time Uhuru went to central with goodies as he did in coast and western?

          What type of development do you want the govt to bring if Nyanza had sugar mills , irrigation schemes and roads?
          Schools
          in central were built by PTA, my former primary school has stone
          classes all built by harambees and parents and teachers through PTA, not
          the govt. So waiting for things to be brought to you is just hilarious.
          Most learned Luos troop to Nairobi to live in flats built by kikuyus in
          kiambu, kasarani, umoja, kinoo, wangige. Buy from Tuskies and hundreds
          of minisupamkts owned by kikuyus , ride in bus companies owned by
          kikuyus , buy fuel from kikuyus owned petrol stations, deposit money in
          kikuyu owned banks , drink in kikuyu bars and clubs, eat nyama choma’s
          from the Njugunas, buy sukuma wiki and nyanya from kikuyu farms. All
          these money kikuyus use to build schools and churches through harambees.
          only 5% of public secondary in centarl was built by CDF, the rest is
          harambees except the old colonial ones like Alliance A govt provides security, roads and
          poorly paid teachers. A community has to build their own classes, own
          police post , and their own dispensaries. In my home area we built the
          police post , schools , and dispensary during Moi’s time. We only
          requested for teachers , doctors, and policemen

          • sam the tax guru

            Government is meant to supply public goods e.g. schools, security, health, economic activity (markets) etc. Harambees epitomise theft from public coffers.That says alot about where harambees are prevalent. Odongo, the fight against immorality cannot be won by self-pity. People have suffered & lost life since ancient times fighting for freedom, immorality, equality, righteousness!! One weak soul like yours can’t stop a tsunami!!

          • Pundit

            Are you listening to yourself. Our harambees were never attended by politicians. we did it ourselves so stop calling us thieves because your community is lazy and selfish

          • sam the tax guru

            I categorically state here that I haven’t called any community ‘thieves’ – I’m no hate monger like you!! Those r ur words. I was raised in Kabiria area of Dagoretti (just near Kikuyu town). I know who used to oversee all harambees in church, school etc – no harambee happened without a politician as the guest of honour!!! Why partake in Harambees when our hard-earned taxes end up in the pockets of individuals!! Mind you harambees are not only conducted by one community!! stop the tribal crap!! I understand & know the Kikuyu psyche having been taught by & with them….. I can sing for u in Kikuyu brother. Anyway, the point here is that its some elite members of communities who are causing this debate & making guys waste time here with comments instead of ACTION & PERSISTENCE!! That is what RAILA stands for.

          • Pundit

            Dude am from upcountry. 180KM from Nai , a place where politicians are seen once evry 5 years asking for votes

    • Fair

      Even HIV is because of government failed strategies?

  • Grace wanjiku

    Excellent advice to our western brothers and sisters.

  • Geofrey Omondi

    Odongo, you’re absolutely right. Its high time we went to the draw board and see where we went wrong. We should stop politising every single problem that befall us. In my honest opinion, it’s the leaders who we elect that mess us further. By anchoring their election on how much hand-outs they give out and not issues is an impediment to the realization of their potentialities. Again, the notion that is prevalent among luo nation that, every single educated luo must get white-collar job is also primitive. Education is just an eye opener.

    • Pundit

      but of course
      previous govt and even current ones have always shunned your back yards.
      This takes us to the katiba which talks of People’s representatives,
      aka MPs, problem is your region MPs have always stayed away from all
      regimes so that they can have reasons to use against your people when
      campaigning,” That you are being marginalized”. Kenya has
      representatives in Fifa, IAAF, IMF, World Bank, UN , and ambassadors.
      This makes us trade , get loans and participation in these world
      organizations. My point is, no one can know what you lack than a person
      from that area, but your MPs have always fought and maliciously opposed
      anything from all regimes in Kenya na maisha inasonga. Its about time
      you woke up and voted guys who will present your constitutional needs to
      the govt

  • Kamwaya

    Makes perfect sense. On HIV aids. Our leaders should make sustained effort to have every young Luo male under 30 circumcised since research has demonstrated it reduces chances of infection by up to 60%. Thanks to some NGOs, some wards in Nyanza now have up to 90% cut rate for boys under 18 yrs. Was glad to know that all my nephews are cut!!

  • Kamwaya

    But don’t be blind to deliberate policies by past governments to exclude certain regions from development and spread falsehood that luos are lazy. Truth is government can forster or frustrate devpt of any region. Just look at the current distribution if public universities accross counties. Some ‘clever’ chap is deliberately empowering certain regions at the expense of others!

    • Pundit

      All your comments shows a reasoning brilliant guy but of course previous govt and even current ones have always shunned your back yards. This takes us to the katiba which talks of People’s representatives, aka MPs, problem is your region MPs have always stayed away from all regimes so that they can have reasons and excuses to use when campaigning,” That you are being marginalized”. Kenya has representatives in Fifa, IAAF, IMF, World Bank, UN , and ambassadors. This makes us trade , get loans and participation in these world organizations. My point is, no one can know what you lack than a person from that area, but your MPs have always fought and maliciously opposed anything from all regimes in Kenya na maisha inasonga. Its about time you woke up and voted guys who will present your constitutional needs to the govt. Uhuru is a human and cannot know which man lacks food in central, nyanza,

  • Kamwaya

    I asked a friend a simple question. Why don’t we have packed Ahero rice in supermarkets while it’s there in plenty and traded in informal markets? Mwea rice is everywhere. And why don’t we see our political leaders taking on the gvt for frustrating packaging and marketing of Ahero rice the way they take on other issues like NYS? The way rift valley leaders do on maize? You may even think no sugar is grown in Nyanza only Western. The noise from our leaders is not proportional to the gravity of the problem facing the sector while the acreage in both regions are nearly the same

  • Senior Ochuka

    The fact that Luos like the writer hate themselves is the biggest draw back to the community. I can bet my last penny that the writer has no tangible investment in Nyanza.

    If his arguments were true then North Easterners, Coasterians, Westerners etc have themselves to blame for poverty, for they don’t work hard enough.

    The writer does not understand what structural discrimination is all about. For if he did, he would understand that Luos would be better off with one of their own at the top. Kikuyus and Kalenjins have made it for precisely this reason. Before Moi became president, Kalenjins were one of the poorest and least educated. There were no schools to talk of in their land. But Moi changed all this. He did not do the same for North Eastern that still remains behind.

    Its not by chance that Kalenjins and Kikuyus occupy more than 60% of government jobs. Its not by chance that the likelihood of a kikuyu or a kalenjin getting a government contract is more than 10 times that of any other tribe.

    Going beyond Kenya, this is an African problem. If your man is at the top you tend to do better. Just point to me one country where this is untrue and i will call you a liar.

    But the more important thing is this: only 10% of Kikuyus are rich, the rest and like any other Kenyan, poor! Ok, perhaps they get crumbs from the rich man table (the 10%) but thats living like a rat.

    Lastly, every rich Kenyan has had a plumb job in the government. If you don’t that possibility then you are going nowhere. Please don’t count for me a few souls from other tribes who have occupied high positions in the land.
    To steal requires a chain of people from own tribe….so being alone even at the very top of a company wont cut. Yes, Kenyans become rich only by thieving. You might not like that I say it but its true. Don’t try the holier than thou crap on me.

    The bottom line is that the writer is very narrow in thinking and lacks imagination and proper historical analysis.

    • Pundit

      You are a big liar. Back in 1978, the whole of kenya was poor and not educated not just Kalenjins but everyone. Kenyatta had only ruled for a decade and there is no way he could have effected change that first. Few Kikuyus were educated by the missionaries who first came to Nyeri and Limuru. Thats how guys like Kenyatta got educated, please take a book and know your history.
      North Eastern was never marginalised as they took advantage of the few security personnel of the new Kenya and tried to fight the govt. 1968-1972 was the shifta war. A young govt has no business taking hospitals and roads to a region that is fighting it, idiot. Fast forward to Moi’s time and the wagalla massacre after the same community had abducted and killed govt policemen posted there.
      What type of development do you want the govt to bring if Nyanza had sugar mills , irrigation schemes and roads?
      Schools in central were built by PTA, my former primary school has stone classes all built by harambees and parents and teachers through PTA, not the govt. So waiting for things to be brought to you is just hilarious. Most learned Luos troop to Nairobi to live in flats built by kikuyus in kiambu, kasarani, umoja, kinoo, wangige. Buy from Tuskies and hundreds of minisupamkts owned by kikuyus , ride in bus companies owned by kikuyus , buy fuel from kikuyus owned petrol stations, deposit money in kikuyu owned banks , drink in kikuyu bars and clubs, eat nyama choma’s from the Njugunas, buy sukuma wiki and nyanya from kikuyu farms. All these money kikuyus use to build schools and churches through harambees. only 5% of public secondary in centarl was built by CDF, the rest is harambees except the old colonial ones like Alliance . So stop living in a world of your own imagination. A govt provides security, roads and poorly paid teachers. A community has to build their own classes, own police post , and their own dispensaries. In my home area we built the police post , schools , and dispensary during Moi’s time. We only requested for teachers , doctors, and policemen

      • Senior Ochuka

        You are trying justify societal ills. What a pity.

        In just three years of Kenyatta rule he had isolated luos put a threshold on the jobs they got. Did you know that Luos who came with PhD´s from Eastern Europe were reduced to masters and masters to Bachelors and Bachelors ti diplomas???

        Do you also know that Kenyatta stole unimaginable amount of land from Kalenjins?

        Do you know that during his tenure all but one PC was a kikuyu?

        Did you know that not even one tarmacked road was build in Nyanza during Kenyattas time?

        Structural discrimination is different from what you people are screaming of here. Its just like structural racism.

        Accepting historical facts is very important for we learn more about ourselves. Lets not be in denial.

        • Pundit

          There is nothing like do you know. You have no facts and any comparison? That same time , which tarmac road was built in central and dont mention any highway branching from Nairobi as those were there during the colonial era. Nrb-nakuru and Nrb-nyeri-nyki, Nrb-Mbsa, Nakuru-Eld were built by the whites, so which rd was built in central in 1970s? Get facts to compare. Stole land, read the history behind the ownership of lands by the whites before using stole in your sentence. Get a book please?

          • Senior Ochuka

            The fact the you deny that Kenyatta stole land…something that all Kenyans agree upon is enough to tell me that your are either too young, too immature or too uneducated. Just read the TJRC report to understand the time bomb waiting to explode.

          • Pundit

            I have the TJRC report, and why do you think kenyatta’s Voi ranch lease was renewed? I want facts not fictions used by politicians

          • Senior Ochuka

            Is that even a question to be asked in the reign of this corrupt Jubilee government…Hiyo mambo ya Voi.

            By the way even Kikuyus suffered alot at the hands the land thieves. Truth be told, Kikuyus are perhaps the most landless people in Kenya

          • Pundit

            Dont go far, i am one of the kikuyus who was born without land. But through saving I have a small piece in Nakuru. You may ask yourself then whats my point. This is it, we cant keep whining and expect that one day we will sit down with those who grabbed and share. Luos have to look at how Kikuyus survive , we survive like rats but hardwork always pay. Look at Equity’s Mwangi, look at Waiguru (born poor) look at all those rich kikuyus who were born in slums and the streets. we grow up in Kabiria’s and dandoras of this kenya which has no roads and water , where when we die we are taken to langata, while some guys in nyanza , western kenya can access 50acres of land but instead of using that land to turn it onto a fortune you keep blaming kikuyus from muranga with no food, from kabiria who work as touts, fast forward 20 years later, we have some wealth and you start calling us thieves in general. Watu wabadilike bwana, I accessed my 1st 300,000 business loan and my pal Oduor was my guarantor that was in 2009 and I paid it same year.

        • Kimantose

          So Kenyatta stole land and gave it to the Kikuyus?? Do you know that for all their effort Mau Mau fighters and Kikuyus at large never got back the land that the Colonial government had taken from them and that they had to dig into their pockets to purchase the little land they hold today?? There are almost 8 million Kikuyus in Kenya!! The theft perpetrated by a handful of the rich ones can surely not be used to condemn a whole community when most of them lost more than any other people in Kenya!! During Moi’s era Central Province was heavily marginalized but the people pulled together to ensure the region continued to prosper!! Nothing is gained from constantly citing historical injustices!! It is high time Kenyans realized it is us against the political ruling class and that only we can determine our future!! The gains from having our tribesmen in power are illusional at most!!

    • Pundit

      Most Hindus in Kenya are very rich. Did they hold positions in the govt? Nigga please? How about the emerging Somali millionaires

    • Pointing the issues ailing a region is not self hate but a footstool for catapulting to higher grounds. The self haters are those who bury their heads in the sand called politics

      • Agwah Maq

        Despite the ills in Waigurus ministry most Kikuyus are defending her….because she is one of their own despite the ills, Luos dont do that and thats what my brother means by luos hating themselves.

        • You are besides the point kaka. Peace though

          • Agwah Maq

            Just like they find Raila beside the point…I understand, perfectly!

        • Kimantose

          Dint Luo youth in Nyanza and Kibera demonstrated in her support?? But when Kikuyu youth do it they are only doing it because of her tribe??

  • Agwah Maq

    I can see u are gunning for a little praise from Jubilee…luos don’t have a problem with Kikuyus as u have put it, luos have a problem with the gov’t but it just happens that the president is. Kikuyu….are u saying if a person from another tribe rigged the last election luos wouldn’t have a problem with him if he entrenched tribalism in gov’t appointments?….rise above tribalism, u r more tribal than u sound. It’s not about Kikuyus but the gov’t!

    • My friend just look at the social media platforms and you will realize it ceased to be a dual between the government and opposition or RAO vs Uhuru nad became an intertribal hatred war between the Kikuyus and Luos. I think that is where Dannish is coming from. I too think that the kikuyus should have like mentality, then probably we can live a s one country

    • Gikonyo

      No matter what u say, think or believe, Agikuyu AND Melas(Luos) are great friends and can work together for the great nation of Kenya.Freedom from colonial British was fought for and achieved by these two great tribes.Luos are excellent administrators but poor leaders, that alone makes the difference between the two.Agikuyus are glooming THEM NOW TO BE Future Leaders Of THERE Great nation.I ask you to be patient, though it lingers,this time is near the threshold!!!!.

  • Ogut Awinyo Odagima

    Nonsense! There’s nothing new here even if you present it as the gospel truth. Its a mere hypothesis which is devoid of factors considered and assumptions made. Wealth is for socio-economic fulfillment read – happiness and I can prove to you that Luos are the happiest community in Kenya. It is also the most equal society in Kenya due to that fact that they don’t admire accumulation of wealth but prefer sharing whatever little is available. This is why bizzare stories attributed to socio-economic vacuums in the society are rare in luoland. Can you tell me why there are no Luo IDPs? I know you dont know! Do you know why there are more IDPs from those you claim are rich? Again, i know you don’t know. So get your facts right and seek historical backgrounds of every community and their soci0-economic set-ups.

    • Kimantose

      Sir, just the other day we had a group of Luo IDPs urging CS Waiguru to recognize them so am not sure what you mean when you say there are no Luo IDPs. Just because you don’t know any doesn’t mean they are not there.

  • JeffM

    I have been a frequent visitor to Kisumu in the last few years and unless my eyes are lying to me, Kisumu City has the best urban road network after Nairobi. Flyovers, under passes and overpasses only rivaling Thika Road with roundabouts becoming history. Your airport is only second to JKIA. Connecting roads to neighbouring towns are equally good or major works going on. Where exactly is this marginalisation? Is it in the mind.

    I was born in areas that are unlucky to carry this unfortunate tag of ‘favoured’. I can assure you that it is a struggle all through. I get really excited when I meet groups of young people in the evening at the market centre discussing business, negotiating deals and trying to find solutions like water project, road improvement, etc. Despite the collapse of coffee farming that used to be the mainstay of the area, I rub my hands with glee when I see convoys of Cantas queuing for banana produce and swarms of people delivering their produce at my local dusty market. Mornings is another trek of people walking to milk collection centres. People replaced coffee with bananas and nappier grass for dairy farming long time ago after coffee went burst. In all their industry, there is very very little government in it. Milk is bought by private companies who have helped farmers form co-op societies and self help groups. Bananas is purely private enterprise. Its time citizens learn to look within themselves for economic emancipation.

    Without sounding patronising, I dare point out that God has graced the Nyanza people with the best brains you will find on this earth. I don’t buy the myth that poverty is a preserve of Nyanza, but yes, it is there just like some other places. However, some areas are just outright unlucky for the climate and terrain that befell them when nature was ‘placing’ people. Successive government ahve neglected them as the curse of the Tom Mboya Sessional Paper of 1964 that advocated for developing ‘productive’ areas to produce more for the benefif of the entire country seem to have been manipulated to marginalise areas like Turkana, North Eastern, Pokot etc.

    However now, devolution is with us. let nobody blame Nairobi for whatever underdevelopment the grassroots find themselves in. Let development come from within.

  • Ja Kendu Bay

    Brother,
    Leadership has nothing to do with age. Leadership is God given.
    Replacing the old and the young is not a panacea or a remedy to problems facing Luos or any other communities including Kikuyus.
    Can you name any MP that is using CDF funds wisely? Most of them are young people. The people you call old have done a lot in Kenya. Imagine if they are given a chance to lead and have the power! how much more changes can they bring to your life .Pray for good leadership whether is old or young.Stop mentioning tribe. we are all Kenyans. Doctors or Nurses don’t see tribe, they see human beings that need help.

  • mweu

    There are two kinds of Kenyans: the Anti-Gikuyu and the Anti-Odinga. People who vote for Raila are those who either don’t understand him, or they belong in the “Not Another Kikuyu” for President school of thought. That’s the truth. Deal with it.

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